In the previous episode, we explored how questioning anthropocentrism could help us better understand not just other species, but humanity itself. But what if we broadened our perspective beyond the biological? What would it mean to recognize the agency, rights, and personhood of rivers, mountains, and entire ecosystems?

To explore these ideas, we turn to the field of environmental humanities. We sat down with Federico Luisetti, professor at University of St. Gallen and co-organizer of the Swiss-based interdisciplinary research network , and Sophie Gosselin, a philosopher who teaches at EHESS in Paris and has collaborated with Unruly Natures in Switzerland and beyond.

Our wide-ranging conversation explores the field of environmental humanities and its relation to the natural sciences, as well as their work on non-human agency, legal and political representation for rivers, and more.